xracers
11th October 2007 - 06:56 AM
QUOTE (MISSY&DUKESMOM @ Oct 10 2007, 10:12 PM)
| QUOTE (simile @ Oct 10 2007, 09:51 PM) |
| What was the real story? I've searched for it, and can't find anything. |
How people are allowed to kill perfectly healthy dogs time after time without law enforcement even blinking an eye is just amazing. They get their bowels in an uproar over dog fighting and that's as it should be, but what about needless euthanasia? Killing is killing regardless of the method. I'm so sick of this shxx and there's nothing we can do about it. What kind of vet puts down healthy animals? I wouldn't let those SOBS treat a hangnail. Lorraine
I don't agree with this. Some states consider greyhounds livestock and the state laws say that the dogs can be put down in ways that I consider inhumane, as long as the body is disposed of properly. Alabama used to be a state that considers dogs livestock, I don't know if they still are classified that way there.
Florida requires a vet to put the dog down and it is also illegal to take dogs across state lines just to put them down. Florida considers greyhounds domestic animals.
JudiK
11th October 2007 - 09:18 AM
I'm not energetic enough to retype all this, but you can read it for yourself:
http://boards.globalgreyhounds.com/eve/for...644/m/208008634http://forum.greytalk.com/index.php?showto...l=20+greyhoundsThese are very similar and so I would give them more credit than what Susan Netboy has to say.
allforgreys
11th October 2007 - 08:35 PM
That is a darn shame. Where is Grey2K and PETA!
Redstripe
11th October 2007 - 09:30 PM
| QUOTE (allforgreys @ Oct 11 2007, 07:35 PM) |
| Where is Grey2K |
busy making himself rich!
Jenna
13th October 2007 - 05:17 PM
I am not sure I understand what the problem is with GPL calling for an investigation into the practices of this veterinary school. If they weren't so quick to put the dogs down, there might have been an opportunity to convice the farmer that other options were available.
Jenna
JudiK
13th October 2007 - 08:54 PM
I suppose that in order to know whether this is a "problem" or not, we would have to know what the legal obligation of the vet school was. If a legal owner pays them to euthanise a dog, can they do anything else? Is there anything close to the AMA which can take a vet's license if they fail to comply with an owner's orders? We would also need to know how badly hurt these dogs were - was it truely humane to put them down, or was it done for convenience? There are just too may unanswered questions here - and the article which begins this thread makes it sound like these 20 dogs were yanked off the track and put down by Tuskeegee simply because they wanted to kill a few dogs. Again - it is press releases like this one that make me mistrust Susan Netboy. They have a fraction of the truth and they list her organization prominently so that the suckers can send in their money to help the poor greyhounds. I would like a list of the last hundred threatened hounds Susan saved from death and rehomed. Too hard? How about the last dozen? All the evidence I have ever seen has pointed to GPL being a massive fund-raising machine that never helps any hounds, just like Grey2K.
Jenna
14th October 2007 - 12:15 AM
All I can say is that no one else appears to be doing anything about it.
And I don't think vets have a legal obligation to put down someone's animal just because they want it put down. I know my vet won't do it unless he agrees that it is necessary.
Jenna
xracers
14th October 2007 - 05:27 AM
| QUOTE (Jenna @ Oct 14 2007, 12:15 AM) |
All I can say is that no one else appears to be doing anything about it.
And I don't think vets have a legal obligation to put down someone's animal just because they want it put down. I know my vet won't do it unless he agrees that it is necessary.
Jenna |
99.9% of the vets won't put a healthy dog down but there's always someone that will find the ones that will.
I have seen many times a track vet that won't put a dog down even if it's injured. They will treat the injury but it's not a bad enough injury that they would put the dog down for. I'm talking about racing injuries like a broken toe,etc.
It all depends on the vet.
JudiK
14th October 2007 - 08:18 AM
Well - if you guys are right, then Susan Netboy might do something worthwhile here. If Tuskeegee truly did put down 20 dogs which could have been treated - because the owner said to do it. If Tuskeegee had the ability to say "No." Then it may be true, as some of the other boards have suggested, that Tuskeegee saw 20 potential cadaver dogs and decided that this was manna from heaven. IF this is true, then something needs to be done at Tuskeegee and someone needs to make enough of a fuss that every other university in the country is afraid to pull a stunt like this. I will wait for it all to play out and see if this IS what happened, maybe I will have to eat my words about Susan Netboy - but I'm not sending her money anytime soon. I work with real, live greyhounds who need homes and that is where my money goes.
Bev~
17th October 2007 - 03:53 PM
| QUOTE (Beryl @ Oct 10 2007, 09:12 PM) |
I was told about this at the Memorial at Dewey
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE: Contact: Susan Netboy
October 3, 2007 888.842.4404
20 GREYHOUND RACING DOGS EUTHANIZED AT TUSKEGEE VETERINARY SCHOOL
Greyhound Protection League Calls on the University to Change Its Policies on Euthanizing Healthy Animals
Tuskegee, AL – Twenty greyhound racing dogs from the local area were recently dropped off at Tuskegee University School of Veterinary where they were summarily euthanized. The Greyhound Protection League, a national greyhound advocacy organization, reports that word got out about the deaths early this morning. The incident has subsequently created a huge uproar in the nationwide greyhound rescue community.
The Greyhound Protection League is calling for a full-scale investigation into the needless killing of these racing dogs. “As far as we are aware, no concerted effort was made by the University to save the dogs’ lives by reaching out to the greyhound rescue community,” said Greyhound Protection League President Susan Netboy.
Netboy points out that e-mails, blogs and cyberspace chat rooms are overflowing with dismay over the killing of healthy dogs by the University. The Greyhound Protection League is calling on the University to stop the practice of euthanizing healthy animals for the sake of expediency. “One would expect a veterinary school to have more compassion for animals and respect for innocent life than was demonstrated by their irrevocable actions,” said Netboy. |
I appreciate your effort in exposing this to the public.
Everyone needs to know. I did not know until a short time ago. Chris told me about it. He loves greyhounds too. He wants to do much more in helping these fine animals.
Bev~
dad2paisley
17th October 2007 - 04:22 PM
We like to see that all greyhounds are not treated this way.
Beryl
17th October 2007 - 04:43 PM
None of us here on EG wants to see this happen or even injured greys put down if they can helped.
prefontaine
17th October 2007 - 08:35 PM
QUOTE (xracers @ Oct 11 2007, 05:56 AM)
| QUOTE (MISSY&DUKESMOM @ Oct 10 2007, 10:12 PM) |
| QUOTE (simile @ Oct 10 2007, 09:51 PM) | | What was the real story? I've searched for it, and can't find anything. |
How people are allowed to kill perfectly healthy dogs time after time without law enforcement even blinking an eye is just amazing. They get their bowels in an uproar over dog fighting and that's as it should be, but what about needless euthanasia? Killing is killing regardless of the method. I'm so sick of this shxx and there's nothing we can do about it. What kind of vet puts down healthy animals? I wouldn't let those SOBS treat a hangnail. Lorraine
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I don't agree with this. Some states consider greyhounds livestock and the state laws say that the dogs can be put down in ways that I consider inhumane, as long as the body is disposed of properly. Alabama used to be a state that considers dogs livestock, I don't know if they still are classified that way there.
Florida requires a vet to put the dog down and it is also illegal to take dogs across state lines just to put them down. Florida considers greyhounds domestic animals.
Do you know why greyhounds were ever considered "livestock" in the first place? The ruling came from a case brought by mr. carey theil himself against the NGA farmers in Kansas. He claimed that greyhound farms should be put under the same scrutiny as your everyday pet owner. What he failed to mention in the case was the FACT that greyhound farms are already inspected several times a year by both the NGA and the Kansas Agricultural Dept. Requiring a THIRD investigating party and governing dept. would be, according to the state of Kansas justice dept., would be overly burdensome to all parties involved. Other states followed suit. The ONLY person that ever called greyhounds "livestock" was carey theil. Now granted, they are sometimes treated somewhat like livestock on the farm, as in the sometimes have to be corraled, they are fed in groups, etc.
xracers
17th October 2007 - 09:39 PM
QUOTE (prefontaine @ Oct 17 2007, 08:35 PM)
| QUOTE (xracers @ Oct 11 2007, 05:56 AM) |
I don't agree with this. Some states consider greyhounds livestock and the state laws say that the dogs can be put down in ways that I consider inhumane, as long as the body is disposed of properly. Alabama used to be a state that considers dogs livestock, I don't know if they still are classified that way there.
Florida requires a vet to put the dog down and it is also illegal to take dogs across state lines just to put them down. Florida considers greyhounds domestic animals. |
Do you know why greyhounds were ever considered "livestock" in the first place? The ruling came from a case brought by mr. carey theil himself against the NGA farmers in Kansas. He claimed that greyhound farms should be put under the same scrutiny as your everyday pet owner. What he failed to mention in the case was the FACT that greyhound farms are already inspected several times a year by both the NGA and the Kansas Agricultural Dept. Requiring a THIRD investigating party and governing dept. would be, according to the state of Kansas justice dept., would be overly burdensome to all parties involved. Other states followed suit. The ONLY person that ever called greyhounds "livestock" was carey theil. Now granted, they are sometimes treated somewhat like livestock on the farm, as in the sometimes have to be corraled, they are fed in groups, etc.
I know it was put up for a vote down here in FL about 5 or 6 years ago. Having them catergorized as livestock also opens up farmers to federal subsidies and kennels wouldn't have to pay taxes on their feed bills. When you're putting out feed bills for 700.00-1000.00 every week not having to pay taxes on that saves a good chunk of money every year. I would have loved to save the tax money but I hate the other side of greyhounds being considered livestock. For that reason I was glad it was voted down.