All children under the age of accountability that die will go to HEAVEN

As religion is SUCH A PERSONAL ISSUE I will not debate the right or wrong of one religion vesus another. Your religion is yours and I am not obligated nor predisposed to agrue any of the points in favor of one religion over another.

The original question was with regard to the concept of "white light". For those who would like to read up on the subject there are several articles that could be interesting. Because the theory has been postulated that the white light seen at or near death is and or could be a chemical reaction within the brain, I myself think it is a fasinating subject and will continue to listen to all theories given. Because I work in the kind of environment that I do, death is no longer a mystery to me. The surrounding issues of the near death experience makes it all the more fascinating.

http://www.near-death.com/evidence.html

http://www.rcpsych.ac.uk/PDF/PFenwickNearDeath.pdf

For those who would like to go back to the question of what is white light, its all over the internet. Many uses and theories. Please let me know if you find an interesting article. As a global culture and as a race, the human race, we have become narrow minded, critical of others and of their cultures and beliefs. We have become intolerant of others and how they live their lives. The more knowledge we have about other cultures the less we fear them. A true understanding of man and his spiritual life only leads us to broader and more open thinking and acceptance of others. When all else fails there is the golden rule: Do unto others as you would have done unto you. The concept is simple and most religions reference it in some way or another.

An interesting read.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethic_of_reciprocity


To Saved2: Just because someone said it or wrote it does not mean that it is true. Your faith makes it true. To you. I welcome your posts and views on this subject. I do however, hope that in these conversations, you are open to learning, not necessarily agreeing, with other peoples interprtations of these ideas.

Tom, you may find this gentlemans writing interesting. His office was right next to mine at Mt. Sinai Medical Center on Miami Beach many years ago. About the time he started to delve into this particular subject. Past lives and regression. Had many a conversation about it. Still dont know if I buy it or not. Maybe its time to look into this too.

http://www.brianweiss.com/

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Thanks rycezmom. Will check it out.

I am sorry but I don't believe in the born again stuff. That is just a load of poop.

Very interesting post. Well, I do believe that people do come back from the dead, being a paramedic, I've have had many interesting calls over the years and have heard the rest of the stories from the doctors and nurses about patients we brought to them. Several summers ago we had a lot more lightening storms than normal One afternoon we responded to a call in which the child was struck by lightening and she was not breathing, so the engine company was dispatched with us on this call. The child was six years old, a lifeless little girl in full cardiac arrest. We loaded her up into the back of the medic unit and started to work on her, trying to bring her back. We had two IV lines on her, two rounds of cardiac drugs in her, she was intubated, a breathing tube was placed down her lungs. and her heart was shocked several times, along with CPR and off to the hospital. A few weeks later I was talking to the physician who ran the code and he told me she is a live and doing well, oh, I was so happy, funny thing he said, she keeps telling her mom and her nurses everything that happened, I was a little confused and not sure were he was going with this, and I asked him, what do you mean. Well, she tells people what went on in the medic unit, she was watching, she was sitting above her body and watching. She was able to tell in order everything that took place, from CPR, to the shocks, lines, medications, she was able to name them and tell you the dosage of each one. She said the cute guy tried to intubate her but couldn't get the tube down into the lungs, so the pretty lady tired and she did it, the child was able to repeat the consult that I gave enroute to the hospital. She even told her that the men with the yellow pants on were really upset and telling come on d------it, breathe, come on baby, open your eyes, come back to us sweetie, come on ,baby, come on open your eyes. I was blown away, she even told her nurses, who was who in the E.R. and while getting ready to take her upstairs, what were the dinner specials in the cafeteria. Wow. I also remember we had a call for an overdose, once I woke him up with Narcan, the police were teasing him, asking him if he saw the light. He looked up and said, yes, I did, along with my buddy who was shot and killed last week. It shut the cop up and it gave me chills, I believed him, it was something about his calmness and his face, the look, some may call it a glow, it was different, something was different about this guy. So, how can one say, you can't come back from the dead, how many children can name cardiac drugs, and be able to name medical procedures and protocols, and know the dosages of the medications which is different between an adult and a child. I ran into one of the police officers who was on the overdose call with me and we talked about it, he told me that he straighten himself up, stopped the drugs, started college and has a nice girlfriend and looking towards his future. As the officer put it, he has taken advantage of a second chance in life. There have been many books written on the subject along with many studies, I've read several including the one mentioned in this post and I do believe it happens, may be to give us hope for the afterlife. I've witnessed it and heard about it. When I started my job many years ago, I was told to watch what you say in front of the "dead" person, they may come back to tell you about it. Life is full of mystery and miracles. It really dose happen.

i still don't believe it..

i want to add... i don't believe it but i'm not going to knock anyone that does

Great post Patricia.

Patricia, Usually, as you know, if you mess up a druggies good buzz with narcan they are usually pretty pissed off. For one to be calm about it is the exception to the rule. Something made him calm.......

I still vote for the chemical reaction and endorphin flood as a possibility. But my 102 y/o great grandmother said that those that go before us, come to get us. I've seen too many patients talking to dead relatives just before they died not to believe it. Besides, my nana NEVER told stories or fibs.

Who says you cant take a peek?

Sure you can. Folks who have are able to tell us about the here after, or life after death. Just go to your local library and check out the many books that are written on the subject. Oh and by the way, my mom told me the other day that she saw my father at the foot of her bed and smiling at her, and no, she was not asleep or on any heavy drugs, it was the first thing she said to me went to visit her. The morning my dad died, I was looking at the moon and the moon was almost full and I noticed rays coming off the moon in the shape of a cross, then my other brother called me to tell me dad passed. Believe me this was a sign my dad was going to heaven, and trust me I never saw the moon like that before or ever since. I walk Misty around 4:30 every morning and I am always looking at the moon. You don't have to be born again to go to heaven, everyone who lives a honest, kind, giving life will go to heaven. So, does that mean the Jews and Mulinins can't go to heaven, because they are not born again, I think not.

OK I'm going to go just one step further in this discussion....

Is there really a heaven or hell? Whos to say?

Yes, I believe there is. My Catholic up bringing and so does the bible.

Thank you Patricia for the kind, non-patronizing reply. At least my question did not start a firestorm....I grew up Episcopal.

I believe there is a heaven, but different levels. I am not sure of a hell but that could be the lower levels in heaven.