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dad2paisley
I found this article while surfing.

By ELIZABETH WRIGHT


A glimpse of the passion and vitriol the sport of dog racing can stir up could be found Saturday along one of main roads through Bonita Springs.

On the inside of the Naples-Fort Myers Greyhound Track, preparations were under way for an event that would celebrate the track’s 50 years in business. A big race that night would leave $50,000 riding on the running times of a group of elite dogs.

Outside, on the borders of the track’s property, several dozens protesters marked the track’s anniversary in a different way: lining the sidewalks of Bonita Beach Road with signs berating the sport.

“You bet, they die.”

“Celebrating 50 years of cruelty and killing.”

“End greyhound racing now.”

Passing drivers honked: some in support, some in disgust.

At the track, a security supervisor was aware of the protest near the track’s entrance, but he declined to answer questions. After checking with management, he said the track wouldn’t comment on the protesters’ claims, citing “trade policy.”

Among the protesters, though, opinions flowed freely on what goes on behind the scenes at track kennels.

Judy Paulsen, a part-time resident of Marco Island, joined the protest after hearing about it via an e-mail alert from a greyhound group she supports.

She has never been inside the Bonita Springs track, and she couldn’t say firsthand what the kennels there are like. But from what she has seen elsewhere, she said, “they’re like chicken coops for greyhounds.”

Like many at the protest, she said it’s common for the dogs to be kept penned up much of the day, and when they’re racing, there’s the risk of strain and injury.

Other protesters, who have been inside various racing and breeding kennels around the state, say they have been disturbed by what they have seen.

Candy Juister of North Fort Myers used to pick up dogs for adoption from the kennels at the Naples-Fort Myers Greyhound Track.

Up until a year ago, she volunteered with a group that facilitated greyhound adoptions there, and at that time, she said there were issues with bad meat and cramped spaces for the dogs. But after one of the group’s leaders spoke out about conditions, she said, the group was banned from the site.

Now, with this protest, she said, “we’re just trying to make everyone think.”

Other protesters raised questions about where greyhounds go once their racing days are over.

One of the protesters, Gisela Rowley of Naples, said somewhere between 5,000 and 8,000 greyhounds are killed a year at tracks across the country, citing numbers from the Somerville, Mass.-based greyhound advocacy organization GREY2K USA.

“It’s just plain cruel,” Rowley said, adding this shouldn’t just be a concern for people who love greyhounds, but for any animal advocate.

As for the protest, she said, it wasn’t meant to be confrontational or directed at dog track patrons.

“It’s not to anger the people that are there. A lot of the people don’t realize,” she said.

Naples resident Renee Buongiorno said she had never given much thought to the conditions of the dogs in the sport until she adopted three greyhounds as pets. All had been put up for adoption after short careers in racing, and she’s now convinced their lives aren’t easy ones.

“It’s a horrible thing,” she said. “I think a lot of people don’t really know.”

Her hope is that with this protest, some people in the area will start asking questions, or possibly look into adopting a greyhound.

The Naples-Fort Myers Dog Track does put a number of dogs up for adoption through the group Happy Homes for Hounds, and a Web site for the track advertises that “retired greyhound racers make great house pets.”

While none of the protesters would disagree with that claim, adoption can’t solve all the sports’ problems, some said.

Naples resident Renee Darcy said the real issue is that there are too many dogs bred for racing -- more than ever become stars on the track, and more than will ever be adopted.

“There just aren’t enough homes,” she said.

But Darcy said she’s used to being met with skepticism when she describes dog racing in a negative light.

“I don’t know how many people tell me, ‘you have it wrong -- they treat the dogs well.’ I say, just try to go in to see the kennels. They won’t let you,” she said.

Christine Dorchak, president of the GREY2K advocacy group, was among the protesters in Bonita Springs on Saturday, and she said the ultimate goal of protests like this one and others at tracks around the state would be to ban dog racing in Florida -- something that most other states already have done.

While her issue is with the quality of treatment the animals receive, not the fact that a dog track is a gambling establishment, she noted that gaming policy can have important consequences for whether dog racing continues into the future.

The sport itself is declining in popularity, and she believes that if tracks weren’t allowed to offer other forms of gambling, market forces would bring an end to dog racing. But with recent proposals like one that would add slot machines to tracks here, the tracks could survive.

“Slot machines are like life-support,” Dorchak said.

For that reason, she said, “we are opposed to the expansion of gambling when it is used to prop up the industry.”

In the hours the protesters spent along Bonita Beach Road, many said they thought the overall response was positive.

But one protester, Paulien Wood, who held her sign at the corner of Race Track Road right where cars exiting the dog track had to pause before turning onto Bonita Beach Road, said she “caught a little flak.”

Some drivers just ignored her, but one man leaving the dog track -- Wood guessed he was in his late 20s -- stopped and looked at the surrounding display of signs full of words about death, injury and cruelty.

Wood doubts she helped influence that man’s thinking on dog racing.

“He was in the car with some friends, and he just said: ‘But it’s fun.’”

Fast Dog
And they wonder why no one will let them back in the kennels!
mountain4greys
And Grey2K sucks!

These people just don't get it.
Jenna
How are people supposed to "get it" when

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... the track wouldn’t comment on the protesters’ claims, citing “trade policy.” 


If the protesters are saying things that are not true, then it would help if the track had a representative out there, encouraging people to visit the kennels and learn the truth.

Jenna
allforgreys
They have a right to protest a cruel sport.
Fast Dog
QUOTE (Jenna @ Mar 15 2008, 07:50 PM)
How are people supposed to "get it" when

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... the track wouldn’t comment on the protesters’ claims, citing “trade policy.” 


If the protesters are saying things that are not true, then it would help if the track had a representative out there, encouraging people to visit the kennels and learn the truth.

Jenna

You know Jenna you and I probably dont agree very much on racing but in this case you have actually hit on something that could be of benefit. In another thread I asked what we as the average fan or owner could do to help the sport and visiting the track and visiting a race kennel can answer a lot of questions and concerns that people have. The thing that everyone should know is that in order to get into the back areas of a race track you must be licensed by the state. There is a very good reason for that. But if you get to know a trainer, he or she can make arrangements for a visit. They will not let just anybody back there.
Try it and you may be pleasntly surprised and may walk away with a whole different outlook. The trainers and the kennel help work long hard days for little pay.
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Redstripe
i was reading that article taking in every word until i saw Grey2k... well i'm done with that piece of crap article
Jenna
QUOTE (Fast Dog @ Mar 16 2008, 07:21 AM)
Try it and you may be pleasntly surprised and may walk away with a whole different outlook. The trainers and the kennel help work long hard days for little pay.
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I have tried it and I agree with you, Redstripe. In fact, the kennel workers in Mexico are so poor, that I even donate clothing and shoes for them and their families. I must admit though, my reasons are a little selfish. Just hoping they show their thanks by treating the dogs as best they can.

I don't have anything against racing but I don't see it as an entirely good thing either. My belief is that the things that really do need to be fixed should be known about. I don't assume that all greyhounds live under the same conditions that mine did. There is no way that all kennels are going to operate the same as the ones that you or I may visit.

I have never had a greyhound who showed any evidence of past neglect or abuse but I have not had the opportunity to meet their owners or trainers as, in our case, they were not willing to correspond. I have no hard feelings about that. I do understand that business is business. But mine did come from a dead end track where the only alternative, if not adopted, would be to put them down. And not all of the dogs are adopted.

Does that mean it happens everywhere? No, but where it does, the dogs have a right for people to know because they are the ones who can help those dogs out.

I have not been to the track or kennels that Grey2K is protesting. I cannot possibly know that what they are saying is or is not true. My point is that their claims can only be disproven by people who are there and have seen for themselves, what the conditions are like. One or more of those people should address the issues if they want this problem to go away.

I don't support Grey2K but I do believe in exposing the problems that do exist. Based on what we have seen in the past, it would be foolish to believe that there aren't any today. Due to Grey2K's own sketchy history, I tend to take stories like this with a grain of salt but it would be a lot easier to dismiss it entirely if someone who knew, spoke up, rather than people who have no idea just saying Grey2K sucks.

When real problems are discovered, I am very grateful that someone cared enough to make the effort, regardless of who they were.

Jenna
rycezmom
Its too bad that they do this at a time when more and more racing kennels and tracks are trying hard to work with the adoption groups. Hope their crap doesn't flow over and make it harder for the groups that are doing their best to help the hounds.
FastRunner
QUOTE (Fast Dog @ Mar 15 2008, 11:55 AM)
And they wonder why no one will let them back in the kennels!

I've been in many of the kennels in Naples. Have you?

Didn't think so. mad.gif

FastRunner
QUOTE (rycezmom @ Mar 16 2008, 07:45 PM)
Its too bad that they do this at a time when more and more racing kennels and tracks are trying hard to work with the adoption groups. Hope their crap doesn't flow over and make it harder for the groups that are doing their best to help the hounds.

Go read Rory Goree's recent post on his board about the fate of dogs at certain Florida kennels. Then come tell us how "hard" some work at adoption.
Fast Dog
QUOTE (FastRunner @ Mar 17 2008, 08:49 PM)
QUOTE (Fast Dog @ Mar 15 2008, 11:55 AM)
And they wonder why no one will let them back in the kennels!

I've been in many of the kennels in Naples. Have you?

Didn't think so. mad.gif

Never been to naples.
I've been to Wichita, Kansas city, and Gulf in the kennels. So I can say I've been to a few. And I take it by your smart remark that Naples has issues. So my question to you is what are you yourself doing to help out the problem?.
FastRunner
I apologize for my smart remark. I was put off when you discounted Naples' detractors but you've never even been there. The kennels in Naples really need some work.

Drop a note to the Wootens if you would like first hand information since they were there for years and watched the decline down there. I think they were there over 20 years and would be the best information. Another guy who still has racers, Bryan Kates, owned a kennel there and left a year or so ago so he might have a good insight too. But I don't know him or the circumstances of his decision to leave.

From reading your posts I can tell you are doing the right thing by your dogs, but supporting a compuond you've never seen is no better than the ARs who claim racing dogs is cruel yet they've never seen a race or opened their home to a retired racer.

And to answer your question - I no longer know any kennel owners at Naples so I don't do anything to help them out these days. The track used to be a great place and it is sad to see it now. I have my hands full with kennel owners at other tracks so I guess the short answer is I'm not doing anything to assist Naples right now.
Fast Dog
QUOTE (FastRunner @ Mar 18 2008, 06:41 PM)
I apologize for my smart remark. I was put off when you discounted Naples' detractors but you've never even been there. The kennels in Naples really need some work.

Drop a note to the Wootens if you would like first hand information since they were there for years and watched the decline down there. I think they were there over 20 years and would be the best information. Another guy who still has racers, Bryan Kates, owned a kennel there and left a year or so ago so he might have a good insight too. But I don't know him or the circumstances of his decision to leave.

From reading your posts I can tell you are doing the right thing by your dogs, but supporting a compuond you've never seen is no better than the ARs who claim racing dogs is cruel yet they've never seen a race or opened their home to a retired racer.

And to answer your question - I no longer know any kennel owners at Naples so I don't do anything to help them out these days. The track used to be a great place and it is sad to see it now. I have my hands full with kennel owners at other tracks so I guess the short answer is I'm not doing anything to assist Naples right now.

Apology accepted.
I've got to tell you though, that I will support all the tracks that are still open, no matter how dismal their conditions are.
Trying to help a track that is going down hill is a lot easier that trying to get one that has closed to reopen. I know , I've had it happen.
Naples is a long ways from where I live and I can't very well go there on a weekly basis and wager on the races.
I feel that being a member of the NGA, paying my dues and writing the staff at the NGA and voicing my opinions and concerns is doing what I can to help. By being a member I have a voice, and you can be sure they hear from me. I would invite anyone who is not a member to join and have their voice heard.
Voicing your opinion in EG among friends is nice and I enjoy it but in order to make a difference you've got to tell the people that can make it happen.
FastRunner
QUOTE (Fast Dog @ Mar 25 2008, 01:14 PM)
I've got to tell you though, that I will support all the tracks that are still open, no matter how dismal their conditions are.
Trying to help a track that is going down hill is a lot easier that trying to get one that has closed to reopen. I know , I've had it happen.

And we wonder why the probloms never get addressed.
Fast Dog
QUOTE (FastRunner @ Mar 28 2008, 04:16 PM)
QUOTE (Fast Dog @ Mar 25 2008, 01:14 PM)
I've got to tell you though, that I will support all the tracks that are still open, no matter how dismal their conditions are.
Trying to help a track that is going down hill is a lot easier that trying to get one that has closed to reopen. I know , I've had it happen.

And we wonder why the probloms never get addressed.

Ok, so what about my statement do you not understand?
Have you ever had racing dogs of your own?
Have you ever had a track that you had racing dogs at close?
Have you ever had to relocate racing dogs of your own to another track?
Have you ever had to relocate dogs from a tracks adoption kennel because the track closed?
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