A couple of days ago they dug up a large stone tablet some where around Iseral that was dated about 2100 years ago it told of the birth of CHRIST and it said the same thing as was written in the book of ISAIAH aprx. 2800 years ago , lets not even get into the Dead Sea Skrolls that were found in 1948
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That mearly proves that someone wrote a story. Anyone can do that! Do you beleive that everything in the National Enquirer is true! For that matter, the New York Post?
Prove that God or a soul exists!
Prove that God or a soul exists!
It was just a bunch of old men writing stuff. Can't believe it's true. Also heard lots of things said in the bible were just made up stories, say fairy tales to pass on to their children.
I do believe in a higher power, but don't always believe everything you see or read. I agree with what rycezmom said. If you treat people right, do the right things, then maybe when you die, you'll see what everyone is hoping to see.
I do believe in a higher power, but don't always believe everything you see or read. I agree with what rycezmom said. If you treat people right, do the right things, then maybe when you die, you'll see what everyone is hoping to see.
Succinctly put Tom, couldn't have said it any better than that!
| QUOTE (Saved2 @ Jul 12 2008, 03:51 PM) |
| A couple of days ago they dug up a large stone tablet some where around Iseral that was dated about 2100 years ago it told of the birth of CHRIST and it said the same thing as was written in the book of ISAIAH aprx. 2800 years ago , lets not even get into the Dead Sea Skrolls that were found in 1948 |
Do you have a link or anything about the tablet that was found?! i'd love to read more about it....
The dead sea scrolls are in Charlotte at the moment, i wish i could go see them!
| QUOTE (Redstripe @ Jul 13 2008, 10:41 AM) |
| The dead sea scrolls are in Charlotte at the moment, i wish i could go see them! |
Cripes! Are they on tour through a museum? I would love to see those!
The dead sea scrolls are in Israel in a building that sits on hydrologic posts that can be lowered into the ground making them hydrogen bomb proof , they are much too valuable , the ones that are on tour are copies , I have seen them and you would not be able to read them as they are written in old hebrew , they also have old scrolls-----what was used before books---- that you also cant read.
Redstripe if you send me your e-mail I will send you the whole article , do not be afraid to do this Iam not a nut I,m a retired Chicago policeman , and your e-mail add will be delieted after I send it.
My e--mail add is saved2@windstream.net Please put GREYHOUND IN THE SUBJECT LINE OR WE WONT OPEN IT.
My e--mail add is saved2@windstream.net Please put GREYHOUND IN THE SUBJECT LINE OR WE WONT OPEN IT.
| QUOTE (Saved2 @ Jul 13 2008, 01:54 PM) |
| The dead sea scrolls are in Israel in a building that sits on hydrologic posts that can be lowered into the ground making them hydrogen bomb proof , they are much too valuable , the ones that are on tour are copies , I have seen them and you would not be able to read them as they are written in old hebrew , they also have old scrolls-----what was used before books---- that you also cant read. |
one of the scrolls in charlotte is its first trip out of Israel
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We know in our scriptures from reading in St. Matthew, when Jesus addressed some of the Scribes and Pharisees by telling them that would be NO SIGN given but the sign of the prophet Jonas. Read St. Matthew:Chapter 12: verses 38-40; Chapter 16:verses 1-4. Look at the Israelites when they were freed from Pharoah's rule, God performed many signs and wonders for their intervention repeatedly and they STILL sinned against God afterwards. Miracles STILL happen today and are performed by God, and when one see's a miracle they KNOW that it is evidence of God's miracle working power. God will not be mocked or tempted by any of us if we were to ask him..."lets see it again"! If we ask for something of God, that doesn't mean you can expect to see it on your doorstep by sunset. Sometimes he provides quickly and other times not so quickly. When God told Abraham that he would give him and Sarai a son, Abraham did not know that it would be years later that that promise would be fulfilled. He was anxious and did not wait upon the Lord...thus Hagar gave birth to Ishmael and Abraham was 90 years old and Ishmael 13 years old when they were both circumcised. (Genesis 16:24-27) And Abraham was 100 years old when Isaac was born. So God did not actually fulfill his promise to Abraham and Sarai (Sarah) until 10 years after the birth of Ishmael. So in both women carrying the babies to term...you can add 18 months combined. And we don't know exactly how much time went by after God first made the promise until the time that Hagar entered into the picture. But the point being made here, is that God does not work on OUR TIME TABLE. And it does not mean HE will give everything we ask of him if its not HIS will.... He know what HE'S doing. So if your prayers aren't answered..try thanking God for it and consider it a blessing because whatever you might have asked for COULD have ended up hurting you. We, as PARENTS, often have/had children who might have asked for a gift on special occasions that we KNEW wasn't suited for that child and they had to be turned down. So would it be so hard for US to realize that MAYBE HE KNEW/KNOWS whatever we're desiring...isn't in our best interest??? Sam, no one on this site is going to judge YOU or anyone else for their beliefs. You said you were raised a Christian and turned away from it. When you first read this article about Noah's Ark....what urged you to click on the link and respond to "feeds" on this forum? I KNOW that if I don't believe in something....I'm NOT going to debate the issue with anyone over it. Why argue over something you don't believe in? For someone who does not believe in the God you sure are arguing the point HERE. It would be like someone looking up into the sky and saying...."that's not the sun up there". All any of us can do is offer you the Word of God and it's up to you to have faith enough to believe it. But if you're expecting your answers to be met on YOUR time clock..you may (or may not be) waiting awhile. Your scriptures tell us that "faith cometh by hearing and hearing of the Word of God". Have you ever thought that maybe...just maybe that God is dealing with your heart RIGHT NOW?? Or why else would you be here. We love you in the Lord and it IS my prayer that HE will deal with your heart. I will not be returning to this forum....for it is not my desire to argue over God's word with anyone. We all will die one day and like the gentleman earlier said...."i'd rather die a Christian and wake up to know I was wrong than die a non-believer and wake up to find out I was ETERNALLY wrong. That's a mistake I can't afford to make. It's only my eternity we're talking about. Good Day and May God bless you all.
We know in our scriptures from reading in St. Matthew, when Jesus addressed some of the Scribes and Pharisees by telling them that would be NO SIGN given but the sign of the prophet Jonas. Read St. Matthew:Chapter 12: verses 38-40; Chapter 16:verses 1-4. Look at the Israelites when they were freed from Pharoah's rule, God performed many signs and wonders for their intervention repeatedly and they STILL sinned against God afterwards. Miracles STILL happen today and are performed by God, and when one see's a miracle they KNOW that it is evidence of God's miracle working power. God will not be mocked or tempted by any of us if we were to ask him..."lets see it again"! If we ask for something of God, that doesn't mean you can expect to see it on your doorstep by sunset. Sometimes he provides quickly and other times not so quickly. When God told Abraham that he would give him and Sarai a son, Abraham did not know that it would be years later that that promise would be fulfilled. He was anxious and did not wait upon the Lord...thus Hagar gave birth to Ishmael and Abraham was 90 years old and Ishmael 13 years old when they were both circumcised. (Genesis 16:24-27) And Abraham was 100 years old when Isaac was born. So God did not actually fulfill his promise to Abraham and Sarai (Sarah) until 10 years after the birth of Ishmael. So in both women carrying the babies to term...you can add 18 months combined. And we don't know exactly how much time went by after God first made the promise until the time that Hagar entered into the picture. But the point being made here, is that God does not work on OUR TIME TABLE. And it does not mean HE will give everything we ask of him if its not HIS will.... He know what HE'S doing. So if your prayers aren't answered..try thanking God for it and consider it a blessing because whatever you might have asked for COULD have ended up hurting you. We, as PARENTS, often have/had children who might have asked for a gift on special occasions that we KNEW wasn't suited for that child and they had to be turned down. So would it be so hard for US to realize that MAYBE HE KNEW/KNOWS whatever we're desiring...isn't in our best interest??? Sam, no one on this site is going to judge YOU or anyone else for their beliefs. You said you were raised a Christian and turned away from it. When you first read this article about Noah's Ark....what urged you to click on the link and respond to "feeds" on this forum? I KNOW that if I don't believe in something....I'm NOT going to debate the issue with anyone over it. Why argue over something you don't believe in? For someone who does not believe in the God you sure are arguing the point HERE. It would be like someone looking up into the sky and saying...."that's not the sun up there". All any of us can do is offer you the Word of God and it's up to you to have faith enough to believe it. But if you're expecting your answers to be met on YOUR time clock..you may (or may not be) waiting awhile. Your scriptures tell us that "faith cometh by hearing and hearing of the Word of God". Have you ever thought that maybe...just maybe that God is dealing with your heart RIGHT NOW?? Or why else would you be here. We love you in the Lord and it IS my prayer that HE will deal with your heart. I will not be returning to this forum....for it is not my desire to argue over God's word with anyone. We all will die one day and like the gentleman earlier said...."i'd rather die a Christian and wake up to know I was wrong than die a non-believer and wake up to find out I was ETERNALLY wrong. That's a mistake I can't afford to make. It's only my eternity we're talking about. Good Day and May God bless you all.
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| QUOTE (Saved2 @ Jul 14 2008, 04:37 PM) |
| :44 We know in our scriptures from reading in St. Matthew, when Jesus addressed some of the Scribes and Pharisees by telling them that would be NO SIGN given but the sign of the prophet Jonas. Read St. Matthew:Chapter 12: verses 38-40; Chapter 16:verses 1-4. Look at the Israelites when they were freed from Pharoah's rule, God performed many signs and wonders for their intervention repeatedly and they STILL sinned against God afterwards. Miracles STILL happen today and are performed by God, and when one see's a miracle they KNOW that it is evidence of God's miracle working power. God will not be mocked or tempted by any of us if we were to ask him..."lets see it again"! If we ask for something of God, that doesn't mean you can expect to see it on your doorstep by sunset. Sometimes he provides quickly and other times not so quickly. When God told Abraham that he would give him and Sarai a son, Abraham did not know that it would be years later that that promise would be fulfilled. He was anxious and did not wait upon the Lord...thus Hagar gave birth to Ishmael and Abraham was 90 years old and Ishmael 13 years old when they were both circumcised. (Genesis 16:24-27) And Abraham was 100 years old when Isaac was born. So God did not actually fulfill his promise to Abraham and Sarai (Sarah) until 10 years after the birth of Ishmael. So in both women carrying the babies to term...you can add 18 months combined. And we don't know exactly how much time went by after God first made the promise until the time that Hagar entered into the picture. But the point being made here, is that God does not work on OUR TIME TABLE. And it does not mean HE will give everything we ask of him if its not HIS will.... He know what HE'S doing. So if your prayers aren't answered..try thanking God for it and consider it a blessing because whatever you might have asked for COULD have ended up hurting you. We, as PARENTS, often have/had children who might have asked for a gift on special occasions that we KNEW wasn't suited for that child and they had to be turned down. So would it be so hard for US to realize that MAYBE HE KNEW/KNOWS whatever we're desiring...isn't in our best interest??? Sam, no one on this site is going to judge YOU or anyone else for their beliefs. You said you were raised a Christian and turned away from it. When you first read this article about Noah's Ark....what urged you to click on the link and respond to "feeds" on this forum? I KNOW that if I don't believe in something....I'm NOT going to debate the issue with anyone over it. Why argue over something you don't believe in? For someone who does not believe in the God you sure are arguing the point HERE. It would be like someone looking up into the sky and saying...."that's not the sun up there". All any of us can do is offer you the Word of God and it's up to you to have faith enough to believe it. But if you're expecting your answers to be met on YOUR time clock..you may (or may not be) waiting awhile. Your scriptures tell us that "faith cometh by hearing and hearing of the Word of God". Have you ever thought that maybe...just maybe that God is dealing with your heart RIGHT NOW?? Or why else would you be here. We love you in the Lord and it IS my prayer that HE will deal with your heart. I will not be returning to this forum....for it is not my desire to argue over God's word with anyone. We all will die one day and like the gentleman earlier said...."i'd rather die a Christian and wake up to know I was wrong than die a non-believer and wake up to find out I was ETERNALLY wrong. That's a mistake I can't afford to make. It's only my eternity we're talking about. Good Day and May God bless you all. |
If you dont know what the above message is telling you than I cant help you.
that's horrible to say Saved2, i am a Christian and i don't understand it... its that type of attitude in what you said above that turns people away...
You are right Hannah.
I am a Christian but I do not go around telling people that my faith is the true faith and I do not go around preaching to people that they should join my church. I do not go door to door telling people you are going to burn in hell because you are not of my faith. I do not care what religion you are as long as you believe in God and follow the 10 comandments you are a Christian. What about our armed forces who cannot get to church to pray are your going to say that they are not Christians or because they are out there fighting for a cause that they are going to burn in hell?
I am a Christian but I do not go around telling people that my faith is the true faith and I do not go around preaching to people that they should join my church. I do not go door to door telling people you are going to burn in hell because you are not of my faith. I do not care what religion you are as long as you believe in God and follow the 10 comandments you are a Christian. What about our armed forces who cannot get to church to pray are your going to say that they are not Christians or because they are out there fighting for a cause that they are going to burn in hell?
Saved2..
I wondered what the message of the post was because I did not quite know how to take it. It felt like a rebuke but I did not want to assume or decide on my own what your feelings were. I felt as though I had been dismissed as a lost cause when I (we) did not acquiesce to your point of view. I have always welcomed the opportunity to openly and honestly discuss my feelings on a myriad of topics. It is an opportunity to not only put some thought into the things that effect our everyday lives (some that we may take for granted) but to also understand how others feel as well. The world is a very stressful place these days and religion is a comfort to many. The world is also a very intolerant place. Religious intolerance is at the heart of so many wars, bested only by power/greed. Freedom of religion is one of the greatest of all "RIGHTS" in this country. The rest of the world is not so lucky. How many have died because of religious persecution in the short span of mans existence on this planet? Cultures and religions different from our own can make some uncomfortable. The more you know about others beliefs, customs and culture, the more you understand the person. I would like to think that this is a discussion where all comments are welcome and that questions be taken for what they are! A chance to find out more about ourselves and those we "live" with on this board. I think that you have a lot to offer the discussion and hope that you will continue it in the future. These are the motives for my post "???". I hope that you can still explain what you were trying to get across as I am still quite interested to know.
L.
I wondered what the message of the post was because I did not quite know how to take it. It felt like a rebuke but I did not want to assume or decide on my own what your feelings were. I felt as though I had been dismissed as a lost cause when I (we) did not acquiesce to your point of view. I have always welcomed the opportunity to openly and honestly discuss my feelings on a myriad of topics. It is an opportunity to not only put some thought into the things that effect our everyday lives (some that we may take for granted) but to also understand how others feel as well. The world is a very stressful place these days and religion is a comfort to many. The world is also a very intolerant place. Religious intolerance is at the heart of so many wars, bested only by power/greed. Freedom of religion is one of the greatest of all "RIGHTS" in this country. The rest of the world is not so lucky. How many have died because of religious persecution in the short span of mans existence on this planet? Cultures and religions different from our own can make some uncomfortable. The more you know about others beliefs, customs and culture, the more you understand the person. I would like to think that this is a discussion where all comments are welcome and that questions be taken for what they are! A chance to find out more about ourselves and those we "live" with on this board. I think that you have a lot to offer the discussion and hope that you will continue it in the future. These are the motives for my post "???". I hope that you can still explain what you were trying to get across as I am still quite interested to know.
L.
| QUOTE (Saved2 @ Jul 15 2008, 02:16 PM) |
| If you dont know what the above message is telling you than I cant help you. |
i can't get this comment out my mind.. its bugging me something fierce!
here we have rycezmom who is asking questions and is interesting in learning why we think what we think... you made a statement which 3 people didn't quite understand and you just say "well, i can't help you" ... as a believer i would ask what part? or why? is there a certain question you have that i can answer? AND if i didn't have the answer i would do my best to find out the answer.... not just write off someone that is interested in learning .. i really don't think God would be happy with that....
redstripe
Redstripe , the words you use such as turn people away we have heard hundreds of times they are used because you refuse to learn or change your ways and we understand that you ask questions get the answer then ask the same question again that tell us you just want to argue , another one is--shoveing it down my throat--- no one makes you read this so how are we SHOVING ,just like when someone asked for the article and I offered to send it to them , guess what they never e-mailed me , so I believe some of you are just wanting to argue not learn. If someone truly wants to learn I,am willing , but I will not play childish games
As to the article it speaks of several problems people have , read it again with a open mind , and stop threw out the message to see what it is telling you.
As to the article it speaks of several problems people have , read it again with a open mind , and stop threw out the message to see what it is telling you.
Hannah this reminds me of the AR's who do not answer the question you ask. It is not worth my time to keep reading this. All I have to say is that I am a Christian just like you are Hannah and we do not have to be of the same faith as long as we believe.
| QUOTE (Saved2 @ Jul 16 2008, 11:47 AM) |
| Redstripe , the words you use such as turn people away we have heard hundreds of times they are used because you refuse to learn or change your ways and we understand that you ask questions get the answer then ask the same question again that tell us you just want to argue , another one is--shoveing it down my throat--- no one makes you read this so how are we SHOVING ,just like when someone asked for the article and I offered to send it to them , guess what they never e-mailed me , so I believe some of you are just wanting to argue not learn. If someone truly wants to learn I,am willing , but I will not play childish games As to the article it speaks of several problems people have , read it again with a open mind , and stop threw out the message to see what it is telling you. |
as to someone not e mailing you.. its called google...
i'm not arguing with you at all, i am a good ol' Southern Christian, i have alot of the same beliefs you do which i don't think you realize..
when talking about Christianity one thing i have learned is that the facts/scriptures/beliefs make everything more confusing for someone who doesn't believe or understand and its even confusing to those who do believe...
what confuses me about your post is we were talking about scrolls, tablets, and such and then this post showed up and in the middle someone is named Sam?! who's Sam? is it someone on this site and i just don't know their real name? what's this about... i'm confused
Saved2
I am posting this again here with the hope that I will still get an explaination from you. If you dont feel it is worth your time to educate me then let me know and I will quit wasting my time.
L.
Saved2..
I wondered what the message of the post was because I did not quite know how to take it. It felt like a rebuke but I did not want to assume or decide on my own what your feelings were. I felt as though I had been dismissed as a lost cause when I (we) did not acquiesce to your point of view. I have always welcomed the opportunity to openly and honestly discuss my feelings on a myriad of topics. It is an opportunity to not only put some thought into the things that effect our everyday lives (some that we may take for granted) but to also understand how others feel as well. The world is a very stressful place these days and religion is a comfort to many. The world is also a very intolerant place. Religious intolerance is at the heart of so many wars, bested only by power/greed. Freedom of religion is one of the greatest of all "RIGHTS" in this country. The rest of the world is not so lucky. How many have died because of religious persecution in the short span of mans existence on this planet? Cultures and religions different from our own can make some uncomfortable. The more you know about others beliefs, customs and culture, the more you understand the person. I would like to think that this is a discussion where all comments are welcome and that questions be taken for what they are! A chance to find out more about ourselves and those we "live" with on this board. I think that you have a lot to offer the discussion and hope that you will continue it in the future. These are the motives for my post "???". I hope that you can still explain what you were trying to get across as I am still quite interested to know.
I am posting this again here with the hope that I will still get an explaination from you. If you dont feel it is worth your time to educate me then let me know and I will quit wasting my time.
L.
Saved2..
I wondered what the message of the post was because I did not quite know how to take it. It felt like a rebuke but I did not want to assume or decide on my own what your feelings were. I felt as though I had been dismissed as a lost cause when I (we) did not acquiesce to your point of view. I have always welcomed the opportunity to openly and honestly discuss my feelings on a myriad of topics. It is an opportunity to not only put some thought into the things that effect our everyday lives (some that we may take for granted) but to also understand how others feel as well. The world is a very stressful place these days and religion is a comfort to many. The world is also a very intolerant place. Religious intolerance is at the heart of so many wars, bested only by power/greed. Freedom of religion is one of the greatest of all "RIGHTS" in this country. The rest of the world is not so lucky. How many have died because of religious persecution in the short span of mans existence on this planet? Cultures and religions different from our own can make some uncomfortable. The more you know about others beliefs, customs and culture, the more you understand the person. I would like to think that this is a discussion where all comments are welcome and that questions be taken for what they are! A chance to find out more about ourselves and those we "live" with on this board. I think that you have a lot to offer the discussion and hope that you will continue it in the future. These are the motives for my post "???". I hope that you can still explain what you were trying to get across as I am still quite interested to know.
Ok please excuse me for posting the above article , its from another discussion that had the same answer that is going on here , I,.ll have to remember that not all people have the same knowledge of the BIBLE as do I I am a member of CMA and have studied the KING JAMES BIBLE for 18 years almost every day , my nick name in CMA is BIBLE MAN, EVERY DAY THAT YOU READ THE BIBLE you will find something new , Iam Southern Baptist but that means nothing , what I believe is that everything in the king james Bible is the infallible inspired word of GOD , REGUARDLESS of what church you go to if you believe this and accept JESUS CHRIST as your Lord and Savior you have become a BORN AGAIN CHRISTIAN . JEWS did you know that all of JESUS,s apostles were JEWS except one and that was Judas he was the devil , today there are many Christian Jews , the OLD TESTAMENT IS living under the law , The NEW TESTAMENT is how GOD wants his people to live today , that is why people find it strange that they had slaves etc back then.
IF anyone has a question post it and I will try to answer , try not to have 3 people ask at the same time as I hate to type. Sorry if I angered any one in my thinking that they should know that , hope yoy understand. Dan
IF anyone has a question post it and I will try to answer , try not to have 3 people ask at the same time as I hate to type. Sorry if I angered any one in my thinking that they should know that , hope yoy understand. Dan
Forgive me, but Judas is not the devil, that is just crazy. What does CMA stand for? I am Catholic and I don't judge other folks and their religious beliefs, except for the Javoha Witnesses, they are just out there. So, if you are not a "Christian" you will not go to heaven? That is just crazy. If you live a good life, show kindness, and do good, such as feeding and helping the homeless, you are on your way. One does not have to go to church every week, its what you do in your lifetime that will determine if you can go to heaven. We are given choices in life and different roads to take, its up to you. The bible is a bunch of stories written by men, its a guide, one is not excepted to live by the bible. As far as salves, I don't understand your statement, everyone knows that the folks in power had salves, thats nothing new, I mean they are the ones who built the prymids, I don't understand, the confusion. I guess I'm confused now. Are you a fundlementlist? Forgive the misspelling.
Love you post Patricia
What gets me is that they are always quoting the bible what about if thee eye offends thee pluck it out - would you do that Saved2. How about an eye for an eye. If someone injured your eye would you injure that person's eye.
I would rather believe in Do Unto Others as you would want them to do to you/ I might not have said it the way it is written and I know you know what I am saying
What gets me is that they are always quoting the bible what about if thee eye offends thee pluck it out - would you do that Saved2. How about an eye for an eye. If someone injured your eye would you injure that person's eye.
I would rather believe in Do Unto Others as you would want them to do to you/ I might not have said it the way it is written and I know you know what I am saying
Patient at church was told "if thy hand offends you, cut it off" Thats exactly what he did! In the bathroom at the church. Docs spent about 12 hours reattaching it...
Sad to say, even with a sitter, he managed to unattach it under the covers in his hospital room and the rest of the story shall remain untold!
Sad to say, even with a sitter, he managed to unattach it under the covers in his hospital room and the rest of the story shall remain untold!
Patricia--everything you said is wrong , you need to go talk to your priest , or go buy a bible and read it.
Beryl , All those things are in the OLD TESTAMENT , That was living under the law , We now live under --THE NEW COVEN ET-- JESUS changed everything , we now have the NEW TESTAMENT.
| QUOTE (Saved2 @ Jul 19 2008, 03:05 PM) |
| Beryl , All those things are in the OLD TESTAMENT , That was living under the law , We now live under --THE NEW COVEN ET-- JESUS changed everything , we now have the NEW TESTAMENT. |
At the risk of starting something more... Who made the decision that the Old Testament is no longer correct and the New Testament is now the correct one??
What? I beg your pardon, but, I am not wrong and I don't need to read the bible, or talk to my priest. You still did not answer my questions. And my priest who by the way is a Jesuit would agree with me. Oh and one more thing, the devil is an entity, the devil was never a real person. Judas was one of the 12 apostles, not the devil, who Jesus still loved and forgave him for betraying him. I would like to know were in the bible that Jesus called Judas the devil. I think you need to read your bible. As long as you follow the ten commandments or close to them you will be o.k. Now many people who have killed or done horrible things in their lives can repent and ask for forgiveness and a priest can give you absolution and forgive you for your sin(s), and you still can enter the gates of heaven. We are not perfect, if we were perfect we would not be here, we are all human and we ALL SIN and make mistakes, but, we must learn from our mistakes, God is a very forgiving God and he loves us no matter what laws we have broken and he will forgive us. God wants us to be kind, forgiving, helping others in need, kind to all his creatures big and small, to respect yourself and others, not to judge others, and to love one another as he has loved you. The testament, new or old, is a guide, lightening is not going to strike you down because you told a lie, or hurt someone, or cursed someone out, or told them to go to he_ _. If that is the case, well, hell is going to be very full and I'm sure thats were I'll probably will be with a lot of other people and some of my church going friends. I suppose that all the Jews, and Non-Christians will be there too. So, I guess you believe that all servicemen and women who fought the battles to protect our country are not going to heaven because they killed others. That is simply not true and a horrible thing to preach. My dad was a wonderful, giving, kind, loving person who was very active in our church, he was a lector, a knight in Knights of Columbus, he gave so much to our church, a very peaceful man who was in WWII and fought for our country , he dropped many bombs in Europe, killing many people, so does that make him a horrible person who will never be able to get to heaven, according to your beliefs, he broke a commandment,"THY Shall Not Kill". Well, honey, he didn't have a choice, we were at war, like we are today. Don't judge someone until you'll walked a mile in their shoes. Not everything is in black and white, there are a lot of gray areas too. There, I've said my piece.
Thank you Patricia!
Who made the decision to observe only the new testament laws - which bible are you talking about. I read the St. James version which one do you read?
Saved2 studies King James
Patricia, Straight from the Bible, John 6:70 Then Jesus replied. "Have I not chosen you, the Twelve? Yet one of you is the devil!" ( He meant Judas, the son of Simon
Iscariot, who, though one of the Twelve, was later to betray him.)
So you see Pat, Judas was the devil.
You spoke of your father killing people during WW ll. The Bible tells us to obey the laws of the land. That means being in the army and defending our country, which involves killing the enemy.
To Beryl, St. James was a person, we do not pray to people, we pray to God.
The only way to get to heaven..... John 3:3 In reply Jesus declared, " I tell you the truth, No one can see the kingdom of God unless he is born again".
John 3:16... For God so loved the world that HE gave His one and only son, that Whoever believes in Him, shall not perish but have eternal life.
All of the above is from the NIV which is the New International Version.
any other way of you trying to get to heaven is man's way.
Iscariot, who, though one of the Twelve, was later to betray him.)
So you see Pat, Judas was the devil.
You spoke of your father killing people during WW ll. The Bible tells us to obey the laws of the land. That means being in the army and defending our country, which involves killing the enemy.
To Beryl, St. James was a person, we do not pray to people, we pray to God.
The only way to get to heaven..... John 3:3 In reply Jesus declared, " I tell you the truth, No one can see the kingdom of God unless he is born again".
John 3:16... For God so loved the world that HE gave His one and only son, that Whoever believes in Him, shall not perish but have eternal life.
All of the above is from the NIV which is the New International Version.
any other way of you trying to get to heaven is man's way.
Beryl , it would take a lot of typing to explain it to you , here is the condensed version
Jesus who is GOD came to earth and changed everything , now I suppose you are going to say he is not GOD.---GOD THE FATHER , The Son and the Holy Spirit.
Jesus who is GOD came to earth and changed everything , now I suppose you are going to say he is not GOD.---GOD THE FATHER , The Son and the Holy Spirit.
I did not say I prayed to King James but that is the version of the bible I have this is just a lot of ranting that is going around in circles. I still say I do not have to be of a particular faith to enter the kingdom of heaven so I do not believe that there is only one true faith. If you believe in God then you will get to heaven
A Priest cannot forgive you of your sins , he is a mortal man prone to sinning , we do not pray to idols , or cement statues , or a cross with JESUS on it, he is not on the cross now , he is seated on the right hand of his father --GOD-- ON THE THRONE.,
Get a KING JAMES BIBLE , and first read the new testament first , or a NIV which is in modern English and easier to understand , If you are really interested , you will do this.
Get a KING JAMES BIBLE , and first read the new testament first , or a NIV which is in modern English and easier to understand , If you are really interested , you will do this.
Beryl denomination has nothing to do with it , there are all kinds of Christians , but only one way to Heaven.
You are not reading what people are saying you only want your beliefs to be heard. I said if you belive in God I did not say pray to an idol, etc or ask a priest for forgiveness.
This is going around in circles and this is my final post - do you comprehend what I wrote.
This is going around in circles and this is my final post - do you comprehend what I wrote.
Beryl sorry you don't understand , do I understand you well i,m not smart enough my IQ is only 147
First of all my name is not Pat, it is Patricia. Again the devil is not a real person, never has been, it is an entity, Jesus is figuretively speaking, haven't you called someone a devil, Hitler is called a devil, but, you know he is just a man. Priest can forgive you for your sins, they are descentants from the apostles and Jesus gave them the power to forgive, when the priest is hearing your confession, he states ,"Your sins have been abolished by the power invested inside of me in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit, Amen." We Catholics do not pray to idols or statues, they are symbols. I suppose you do not believe in the Blessed Mother, Mary who gave birth to our Lord, Jesus, or the Holy Trinity, or for that matter our Pope. One of the privileges of the preisthood, is the opportunity to listen to lonely, hurting and helpless people. In listening and speaking, he offers encouragement and hope. Another role of the priest is sharing faith with the gravely ill, the dying and their families which he has the power to give a dying person their last rights. He comforts them that they are God's own and that the Lord comes back to take them where he is in eternal life. I suppose you don't believe in Angels, well, I have an angel and I met mine who was there to comfort me during my horrible car accident, which I should have been killed, she spoke to me, stayed with me the entire time that I was being helped by the county medics, I was hit by two tractor trailers on our I95 and 695, I was pronouced dead by the medic crew, which I was not dead, long story for another discussion, but, my angel told me that I'll see her again and she will always be by my side, and no I did not loss consciouseness, I was awake the whole time before the impact which I could see it happening, during the impact, and while the medic crew was working on me and the ride to the hospital. You really don't know much about then Catholic religion, maybe you should seek it out and if you want to increase your religious knowlege you should talk to a priest.
Patricia you win .
We may all have different ways to believe, so we all are right, we just do it different. 