Seems POWAAH is doing the same things that PR's use as complaints against Grey2K.
Should POWAAH donate the money that they are using to defend racing for adoption?
Are any lobbyist's or laywer's involved with POWAAH just donating their time and not getting paid for it?
Atleast Grey2K has a sister group that is a 501c3 that is used for the promotion of adoption-does POWAAH?
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Never heard of this group.
They sound like pro racing group.
"Seems POWAAH is doing the same things that PR's use as complaints against Grey2K."
OK What things ???
OK What things ???
| QUOTE (Houndisle @ Sep 1 2009, 05:44 PM) |
| "Seems POWAAH is doing the same things that PR's use as complaints against Grey2K." OK What things ??? |
Getting money from the dog owners through fundraising that might have been used for adoption instead.
Does POWAAH have a sister 501c3 used to promote adoption? If not then it sure looks like Grey2K is doing more to promote adoption with the general public then POWAAH is.
Do all lawyers and lobbyists involved with POWAAH do it on a volunteer basis? PR's seems to think that Carey should do all his lobbying without getting paid for it.
"Getting money from the dog owners through fundraising that might have been used for adoption instead."
Please explain how to fight the ARs (G2K, HSUS, PETA, GPL, etc) without money. If it takes money then how would you generate money to counter the ARs ?
Pat
Please explain how to fight the ARs (G2K, HSUS, PETA, GPL, etc) without money. If it takes money then how would you generate money to counter the ARs ?
Pat
| QUOTE (Houndisle @ Sep 2 2009, 08:07 AM) |
| "Getting money from the dog owners through fundraising that might have been used for adoption instead." Please explain how to fight the ARs (G2K, HSUS, PETA, GPL, etc) without money. If it takes money then how would you generate money to counter the ARs ? Pat |
I have no idea, my point is that a bunch of the stuff that was being brought up in debates by PR's is now moot. As it stands now, Grey2K can claim that they are actually doing more for promoting adoption then POWAAH does.
Look at it from the general public's point of view. It sure doesn't look good to me when the point is made that a AR organization is doing more promoting adoption than a PR organization.
POWAAH needs to set up a 501c3 that contributes atleast as much money to promote adoption as Grey2K does, otherwise it will get them sooner or later.
POWAAH Mission Statement-
Our business shall be conducted as a non-profit corporation under Section©(4) of the Internal Revenue Code of 1986 (or the corresponding provision of any future United States Internal Revenue law) to promote the education of the public as to the treatment and care of professional animals. We also promote the ability of the related businesses as a whole to conduct their operations in commercial markets - to foster a spirit of cooperation among members of other trade associations, and to act in the courts and related government venues in a way to protect the rights of the entire membership to engage in their professions.
From the front page of G2K site-
" GREY2K USA is a national, non-profit organization dedicated to ....... and close down existing greyhound racetracks. We also offer adoption referral information to help the thousands of dogs still racing."
Referral information ???? ,,, How much money does G2K spent on adoption ? Do we know of any adoption centers that get money from G2K ? Or do they just get usual lip service ?
It's VERY hard to find how to donate to the 501 © sister group, it you select the DONATE button on the front page it does not go the 501 ©. Interesting,,,,, misdirected ???
Pat
Our business shall be conducted as a non-profit corporation under Section©(4) of the Internal Revenue Code of 1986 (or the corresponding provision of any future United States Internal Revenue law) to promote the education of the public as to the treatment and care of professional animals. We also promote the ability of the related businesses as a whole to conduct their operations in commercial markets - to foster a spirit of cooperation among members of other trade associations, and to act in the courts and related government venues in a way to protect the rights of the entire membership to engage in their professions.
From the front page of G2K site-
" GREY2K USA is a national, non-profit organization dedicated to ....... and close down existing greyhound racetracks. We also offer adoption referral information to help the thousands of dogs still racing."
Referral information ???? ,,, How much money does G2K spent on adoption ? Do we know of any adoption centers that get money from G2K ? Or do they just get usual lip service ?
It's VERY hard to find how to donate to the 501 © sister group, it you select the DONATE button on the front page it does not go the 501 ©. Interesting,,,,, misdirected ???
Pat
The adoption referral service is the links to the adoption groups on the Grey2K site. There used to be many more groups listed on it but some idiots from racing decided that all groups that were listed on there must be AR and shouldn't be given dogs, so most neutral groups asked to be taken off the site.
Adoption groups were just putting their groups on there for the publicity a high profile group gets to its' site. Not because they were AR. Now when someone looks to the Grey2K site for adoption, chances are that they will be referred to a AR group.
Grey2K still doesn't require any groups listed to link back to their site.
85,516.00 last year-it's on the sister site along with a copy of their tax return.
I didn't have a problem finding how to donate on the sister site.
Do we know of any adoption centers that get money from POWAAH? See that point can't be used against Grey2K anymore because POWAAH doesn't either.
Adoption groups were just putting their groups on there for the publicity a high profile group gets to its' site. Not because they were AR. Now when someone looks to the Grey2K site for adoption, chances are that they will be referred to a AR group.
Grey2K still doesn't require any groups listed to link back to their site.
85,516.00 last year-it's on the sister site along with a copy of their tax return.
I didn't have a problem finding how to donate on the sister site.
Do we know of any adoption centers that get money from POWAAH? See that point can't be used against Grey2K anymore because POWAAH doesn't either.
There are many adoption groups the were listed on G2Ks site that demanded they be taken off because they didn't want to be associated with G2K and their AR views. I know a couple of groups that were shock to find they were listed without their knowledge or approval.
The question is still valid, "How much has G2K donated to Adoption ?"
The answer is ZERO DOLLARS , they just give lip service adoption.
"Programs: 98% of all 2008 contributions were used directly for our nationwide adoption referral service, public education efforts, and our growing “Greyhounds in the Classroom” program. "
"Management & General Expenses: 2% of the 2008 budget paid the administrative costs of our Massachusetts headquarters, and provided necessary legal and accounting support."
Pat
The question is still valid, "How much has G2K donated to Adoption ?"
The answer is ZERO DOLLARS , they just give lip service adoption.
"Programs: 98% of all 2008 contributions were used directly for our nationwide adoption referral service, public education efforts, and our growing “Greyhounds in the Classroom” program. "
"Management & General Expenses: 2% of the 2008 budget paid the administrative costs of our Massachusetts headquarters, and provided necessary legal and accounting support."
Pat
I know of 2 groups from this area that were listed on the site and took their groups off of it. About 1 1/2 years before that whole blow up I asked each group why they were on there. They both told me that they were on there for the publicity and they were not linked back. Funny thing was when the blow up came, both groups flat out lied to everyone and said that they never knew they were on there.
Now how many dog people do you know that would give a Grey2K funded group dogs? The education fund goes to promoting knowledge and adoption of greyhounds in general. If their money went to any particular groups then dog people wouldn't give them dogs.
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Now how many dog people do you know that would give a Grey2K funded group dogs? The education fund goes to promoting knowledge and adoption of greyhounds in general. If their money went to any particular groups then dog people wouldn't give them dogs.
By the way
"Now how many dog people do you know that would give a Grey2K funded group dogs?"
There are no G2K funded groups !
G2K's mission is to destroy pro racing, why would anyone in pro racing want support G2K or a group associated with them ?
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Pat
There are no G2K funded groups !
G2K's mission is to destroy pro racing, why would anyone in pro racing want support G2K or a group associated with them ?
Re: BTW
Pat
Exactly. That's why Grey2K doesn't fund groups but has the sister group promote greyhound adoption in general and education of the general public about greyhounds.
Why should they fund a adoption group that no dog people would give dogs to?
Their money is much better spent doing exactly what they are doing with the sister group.
Hell, I would take money from them for hauls and tell groups that use me for hauls "don't ask where the money came from" but Grey2K has a problem with haulers too.
Why should they fund a adoption group that no dog people would give dogs to?
Their money is much better spent doing exactly what they are doing with the sister group.
Hell, I would take money from them for hauls and tell groups that use me for hauls "don't ask where the money came from" but Grey2K has a problem with haulers too.
Giving lip service & providing AR propaganda isn't supporting adoption, it's just promotes G2K's agenda. It's a smoke & mirrors act. I've meet & talked with many people that though when they donated to G2K the money went to adoption centers to help feed & house GHs. You should see the look on their faces when they find out where the money really went. It's amazing what you can learn by walking GHs in public places. The FTH & RFA are programs that work well and educate folks, that's win/win. There are numberous AR adoption groups with GHs to adopt just look at the list on G2K's site. The groups & people that are providing money, time, sweat, foster, & yes hauling ,,, these are the folks that are carrying the load.
Taking money from G2K,,,,, ummmm,,,, slippery slope ,,,
Pat
Taking money from G2K,,,,, ummmm,,,, slippery slope ,,,
Pat