Full Version: Do you support the death penalty?
I support it. It they done the crime and esp if they are on death row forever, it's cheaper to hook them up to old sparky. Plus, this will solve a lot of repeat offenders and our overpopulation in jails.
I believe the families of victims have to have some closure and having them in prison receiving 3 meals, a chance to better their education (in Canada at least), breathing fresh air even if it is only for 1 hour a day does not do that for them. Their Child, mother/father, parent ect. does not have that benefit ... so why should the criminal be given that.
Tara
P.S. I would also hope that it may make some think twice before doing the crime (I know there will always be the nut jobs who will anyway).
Tara
P.S. I would also hope that it may make some think twice before doing the crime (I know there will always be the nut jobs who will anyway).
what about the innocent people who get found guilty?
i'm not saying i'm for it or against it.. just wondering what your thoughts on that question are...
i'm not saying i'm for it or against it.. just wondering what your thoughts on that question are...
Most of our criminals and murderers have a long criminal list. I believe that there are few innocent victims.
but they're still there
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i agree!
and if i was an innocent person (or even guilty) in jail i'd just wanna die instead of having to live through that
I support it 100%.
| QUOTE (Redstripe @ Jul 28 2007, 03:02 PM) |
| what about the innocent people who get found guilty? i'm not saying i'm for it or against it.. just wondering what your thoughts on that question are... |
I think you and I are on the same wavelength on a few of these topics here.... lol
Anyways, I DO support the death penalty, but i dont support the "justice" system. Its flawed and the man with the most money goes free, while the penniless sap dies in the chair/on the table, etc..... its a sad world we live in sometimes.
| QUOTE (PhL0aTeR @ Jul 29 2007, 04:51 PM) |
| I think you and I are on the same wavelength on a few of these topics here.... lol |
looks like it!
I voted "sometimes". I believe that there should be more than just the death penalty. I believe that maiming and torture have their place, too. Child rapists spring to mind.
I have very little compassion for violent offenders, since they had absolutely no compassion for their victims.
I have very little compassion for violent offenders, since they had absolutely no compassion for their victims.
| QUOTE (simile @ Jul 30 2007, 02:45 AM) |
| I voted "sometimes". I believe that there should be more than just the death penalty. I believe that maiming and torture have their place, too. Child rapists spring to mind. I have very little compassion for violent offenders, since they had absolutely no compassion for their victims. |
I'm a pretty black and white type of person.... if they are guilty, and their crime deserves the death penalty, give it to em..... however maiming and torturing doesnt really do anything for the sick.
The DP is for those people whose crimes are so terrible, that society cant risk them even being in prison for life. That being said, back to the sick... There are some crimes caused by a sickness, an uncontrollable will to do something. I would look at the death penalty as a humane way to put someone who is sick, down... I cant think of any crime where I would want to know that someone was maimed or tortured, just use the DP for what it was designed for.... Make sure they cant do it again.
I'll never forget several years ago a grandmother was leaving the mall with her husband and three grandchildren. She was robbed and shot to death in front of her grandchildren, she was robbed of $5.00. This thug had a rap sheet that was sooo long and he finally was put to death. What gets me so mad are those bleeding hearts wanting to spare his life. He was guilty, and there were many eye witnesses, since this happened during the day, in a mall parking lot, plus they had it on the security tape, and was he was arrested with the gun. Did he spare this poor grandmother's life? He shot and killed her in front of her grandchildren, can you image what these poor children witness? It makes my blood run cold. He calms he was on drugs and the drugs made him do it. Oh please give me a break. 
He should have just taken her purse and left.
He should have just taken her purse and left.
There is a lot of senseless murders out there. That is one reason I don't watch the news, it's nothing but bad news everyday.
| QUOTE (Redstripe @ Jul 28 2007, 03:02 PM) |
| what about the innocent people who get found guilty? i'm not saying i'm for it or against it.. just wondering what your thoughts on that question are... |
I used to be a strong supporter until the DNA tests started indicating that a lot of innocent people were on death row. That doesn't mean they are "saints" but still, they don't deserve to die if they are innocent. IMHO
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| QUOTE (simile @ Jul 30 2007, 02:45 AM) |
| I voted "sometimes". I believe that there should be more than just the death penalty. I believe that maiming and torture have their place, too. Child rapists spring to mind. I have very little compassion for violent offenders, since they had absolutely no compassion for their victims. |
I'm a pretty black and white type of person.... if they are guilty, and their crime deserves the death penalty, give it to em..... however maiming and torturing doesnt really do anything for the sick.
The DP is for those people whose crimes are so terrible, that society cant risk them even being in prison for life. That being said, back to the sick... There are some crimes caused by a sickness, an uncontrollable will to do something. I would look at the death penalty as a humane way to put someone who is sick, down... I cant think of any crime where I would want to know that someone was maimed or tortured, just use the DP for what it was designed for.... Make sure they cant do it again.
Do you know anyone who was raped as a child? I do. Two people, in fact, personally and intimately - two of my best friends. Have you met any child rapists? I have. And while my comment about maiming and torture is pretty much tongue in cheek vs reality, a little rough handling wouldn't be out of place for these individuals. Don't kid yourself into thinking that these people are sick in the same way that, say, a schizophrenic is sick. Child rapists are sick in the same way that serial killers are sick. They see their victim as an object of their pleasure, and they do their d@mndest to keep it a secret.
My husband deals with the aftermath of this kind of "sickness" everyday. He's a dual diagnosis counselor. He treats people with both substance abuse issues and mental health issues. 70 - 80% of his clients were raped as children or young teens. Hmmm, wonder why they have mental health issues (depression, bi-polar, borderline personality disorder, etc) and why they need to self medicate?
Ok, that was a rant. I'm jacked up on coffee, and this is a real sore point with me (obviously). I guess my issue is that very few child molesters/rapists get the death penalty unless they murder their victim. Heck, they rarely go to jail, and if they do, it's for a couple years and then they're out and free to demolish a bunch more lives. It's disgusting.
QUOTE (simile @ Jul 30 2007, 11:06 AM)
Do you know anyone who was raped as a child? I do. Two people, in fact, personally and intimately - two of my best friends.
yes i do know someone that was raped..... me.... I was molested as a child,
Yes again.... I spent 4 years working in the prison system in texas, one pod was restricted to sex offenders only.
Being so black and white, sometimes i take things quite literally.... lol... but to put this into perspective.... What good is "rough handling" going to do? perhaps this should be a whole 'nother debate, but you personally.... would it teach them a lesson? would it make you feel better? and If so, why? do you take pleasure in seeing the accused in pain?
yes i do know someone that was raped..... me.... I was molested as a child,
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| Have you met any child rapists? I have. |
Yes again.... I spent 4 years working in the prison system in texas, one pod was restricted to sex offenders only.
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| And while my comment about maiming and torture is pretty much tongue in cheek vs reality, a little rough handling wouldn't be out of place for these individuals. |
Being so black and white, sometimes i take things quite literally.... lol... but to put this into perspective.... What good is "rough handling" going to do? perhaps this should be a whole 'nother debate, but you personally.... would it teach them a lesson? would it make you feel better? and If so, why? do you take pleasure in seeing the accused in pain?
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Don't kid yourself into thinking that these people are sick in the same way that, say, a schizophrenic is sick. Child rapists are sick in the same way that serial killers are sick. They see their victim as an object of their pleasure, and they do their d@mndest to keep it a secret.
Yes, that is a sickness. any need to do these terrible things that gives you great pleasure is a sickness.
The justice system is a bit skewed, but thats the world we live in. the alternative is to become vigilantes, and thats a whole 'nother story.... more than half of our populations prison systems (probably more like 75%) are housing people with non-violent crimes, and that probably are taking up space for people that SHOULD be in prison.
That all being said, the death penalty is just that... a penalty. "do the crime, do the time", or lack of time, as the case may be.
One thing i forgot to quote you on was the outcome of child rape/molestation cases. Mind over matter is whats needed in these cases, and IMHO the people that blame certain points of their lives on their situations are just using it as an excuse. I'm not going to go into details of my situation as a child, but rest assured it ranks up there with you wanting to "rough up" the accused, as it was not a one time event, it happened almost once a week for 3 months. When i was younger i blamed that, among other things on my situation, until i "grew up" and finally realized that I am in control of my destiny. This person is not making my decisions for me.
Yes, that is a sickness. any need to do these terrible things that gives you great pleasure is a sickness.
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My husband deals with the aftermath of this kind of "sickness" everyday. He's a dual diagnosis counselor. He treats people with both substance abuse issues and mental health issues. 70 - 80% of his clients were raped as children or young teens. Hmmm, wonder why they have mental health issues (depression, bi-polar, borderline personality disorder, etc) and why they need to self medicate? Ok, that was a rant. I'm jacked up on coffee, and this is a real sore point with me (obviously). I guess my issue is that very few child molesters/rapists get the death penalty unless they murder their victim. Heck, they rarely go to jail, and if they do, it's for a couple years and then they're out and free to demolish a bunch more lives. It's disgusting. |
The justice system is a bit skewed, but thats the world we live in. the alternative is to become vigilantes, and thats a whole 'nother story.... more than half of our populations prison systems (probably more like 75%) are housing people with non-violent crimes, and that probably are taking up space for people that SHOULD be in prison.
That all being said, the death penalty is just that... a penalty. "do the crime, do the time", or lack of time, as the case may be.
One thing i forgot to quote you on was the outcome of child rape/molestation cases. Mind over matter is whats needed in these cases, and IMHO the people that blame certain points of their lives on their situations are just using it as an excuse. I'm not going to go into details of my situation as a child, but rest assured it ranks up there with you wanting to "rough up" the accused, as it was not a one time event, it happened almost once a week for 3 months. When i was younger i blamed that, among other things on my situation, until i "grew up" and finally realized that I am in control of my destiny. This person is not making my decisions for me.
just a note.... i havent thought about that in a while.... it definately stirred up some feelings, but as i try to live the buddhist lifestyle, it doesnt do any good for me to be angry at my accused. I havent forgiven him at all, I just hope wherever he is at, he is not doing the same thing.
Also, I can see the feelings are very strong, and I'm not trying to discount them in any way, and welcome your rants
Also, I can see the feelings are very strong, and I'm not trying to discount them in any way, and welcome your rants